Ok, hopefully most of you by reading my postings will see how much na rules a person's life. Bobby is a decent person but when you're around something for long enough it does start to rub off on you. He even admits that he has a meeting problem and being so caught up, but he still can't get out. I guess admitting you have a problem is a giant step, but getting him to do something about it won't work, he will have to do it himself. I try as hard as I can not to say anything about them anymore, and he tries not to mention them (although he can't help himself, besides it takes up a big part of his life, so naturally he is going to talk about it.) I know that the theory of na is a good thing and it has helped some people, but the ones that get stuck in it, just continue to stay sick. They may be off drugs, but their behavior is not growing up. One of the problems is that when a person starts on drugs their mentality stops growing at the age they started.... until they get off. So if they started using at the age of 17 their mentality is like that of a 17 year old. I think that explains why a lot of the group members act like teenagers in many ways, which is difficult for family members to deal with. It's like dealing with a young adult.